Why do people keep acting like LIC had no community before the condos got here?
#1 and #2 are both right. I would also add that it can and has happened here. One can only hope that the sense of community NYC had after 9/11 can be channeled into continued community spirit. For now however, let’s try to keep the focus on the remembrance of this horrific event in India that has touched lives here as well.
Any idea when Dutch Kills opens on Jackson Avenue? Dying for a $15 drink.
Why is a religious Jewish organization allowed to use a public school for this service? Even if the content of the service isn’t explicitly religious, it doesn’t seem appropriate for a public building to be used in this way unless they are paying for the space for the day. Also, why is there Hebrew writing superimposed over the map of India? That seems a bit provocative to me. As much as I respect the effort they are making to honor the victims of the attack, the religious slant that is being expressed here seems unnecessary.
how was this? Did anyone go?
Looking at the poster, you’d never know that almost all victims were Hindu or Muslim. It’s all about the chosen people isn’t it?
Hey, No. 7, it’s No. 5 here. Let’s get this straight. I did not intend to wind up everyone and think you are rightly going to get slammed for your comment.
I am more interested in how a private organization — I don’t care who they are Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Wiccah– is allowed to use public facilities for a religious service. It’s just not kosher, pardon the pun, to be hosting religious services in taxpayer-funded schools.
I pay taxes and I want this organization and any other community organization to use the school space when it is available during non-school hours.
A religious organization is not a community organization. Community is all inclusive, religious is not. A religious organization has no place in a public school. Where should they hold their services then? Well of course at their own place of worship. There are thousands of exemptions and credits for religious use of real estate in this city. I’m with #5 totally.
And if I were Indian, I would definitely be offended by the Hebrew writing. It’s like the only reason they care is because of the Jewish people that died. Which makes perfect sense, but let’s be honest and up front, shall we?
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Are people trying to start a fight? Some of these comments are pretty unbelievable… where on Earth is a religious org supposed to hold service if they don’t have a temple? Of course a public school or community center. That’s what they are there for. As long as it’s open to all religions, what’s the problem?
13, they should hold their meetings and services on their own property. If they don’t have the proper facilities, then they should pay for use of a private space somewhere. It’s a simple legal issue of separation of church and state and has nothing to do with the organization involved. Religious groups do not have a right to use public property for free. You are inviting all kinds of potential conflicts if you establish this precedent, which is why someone in this country was smart enough to enshrine these protections in the Constitution.
They rented the space for the day, just like any other organization that uses public school facilities pays a fee.
That’s good to hear they did the right thing, 15. And as Jake would say, this thread is over.
I’m with #12. I need a $15 drink right now.
I’m frankly amazed that anyone could take a remembrance for an unspeakable event and get bent out of shape as to how and where the memorial is held – especially when the appropriate channels and procedures are used. I’m not sure when the last time anyone saw a Muslim or Hindu remembrance that included Jews or Christians. They are memorializing something incredibly tragic that happened to one of their own. Is anyone raising a stink about Christ’s birthday celebration decor on Vernon Blvd?
Also #7 you clearly have issues. The remark about “chosen people” was IMO uncalled for and offensive.
If they paid to use the facilities after school hours God bless them cause we know how much public schools need the extra money.
18, I was agreeing with you until I read your gratuitous swipe at Christmas. If you’re going to chastise people for remarks you consider offensive, you should be careful you don’t do the same yourself. Just saying.
20, I think you misread my statement. I took no swipe at Christmas. I was just pointing out that there are many secular situations where religion related things come into play. It doesn’t bother me. I like all religions andatheism as well. If it inadvertently sounded like a disparaging remark I apologize.
#18 – Since when are non-religious Holiday Lights in “commeration of christ’s birthday”? It is the same type of secular seasonal lighting used in most communities and across the city to celebrate the Holiday Season. If you bothered to take notice, there is both a Menorah and a Christmas Tree at 50th & Vernon. The Menorah will not be lit until Hanukah beginning 12/21.
22, A menorah is a religious symbol and a Christmas tree is a secular symbol. For “real” balance, a creche or a 30-foot-high lighted Jesus should be on Vernon.
22 and 23, I already explained I’m not taking a swipe at Christmas or any religious observance. I don’t really mind seeing creches, menorahs, crescent moons, buddhas, or whatever once in a while. The Holiday lights brighten Vernon. This doesn’t have to be wound up any more.
The simple point was that there seemed to be an enormous amount of hostility directed toward a one time event commemorating a tragic event. I believe that any group in this situation who follows the proper procedures for use of public space has the right to commemorate a loss to their community.
I think people have to think before they speak. Many of the comments made above were bent out of context simply because the person making the comment had no idea what they were talking about.
For example, #14 why would you comment before you knew whether or not this particular organization or any of the other organizations that may utilize the space in the building pay for its use? Second, according to US law, an outside religious club may meet at an elementary school after school hours if the school permits other non-religious groups to meet at the same time and there is no perceived endorsement of the club’s religious activity.
#23, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about either. Like many other Christmas traditions, the universally-popular Christmas tree is derived from a fusion of Christian ideas with the older pagan traditions. The Christmas tree is actually a Christianization of the ancient pagan idea that the evergreen tree represents a celebration of the renewal of life.
25, it’s 23 here. You got yourself in such a lather, I think you didn’t realize I was just making a lighthearted comment about the gigantic neon Jesus. And forgive me for not knowing as much as you do about Xmas trees. I need to bone up on my pagan history it seems.
I agree with you that everyone needs to stop being so quick to give offense. But at the same time, it would be great if everyone wasn’t so quick to take offense too. I swear, living in a multicultural city is like navigating a minefield. All these potential hurt feelings waiting to explode in our faces. I have an idea: why don’t we all just knock off all the religious talk (it’s so boring anyway) and just relax and look forward to enjoying whatever the hell holiday we like to celebrate this time of year?
to #10: from a NYC Zoning perspective, Community Use is a designation that includes ALL religious and non-for profit groups.
Chabad of Long Island city is definitely a religious organization that has come to LIC and, being Jewish myself and part of this community, I am very happy they are here. I come from the Upper West Side where their work has been a tremendously positive influence for both the religious and non-religious alike. I hope we will enjoy some of that here.
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I think this demonstrates the community that is developing in LIC.