Long Island City’s Tennisport out, housing development in; linkage

The unmistakable white bubble of the Tennisport in Hunters Point, LIC –Photo
After 33 years, LIC’s Tennisport is closing to make way for a housing development.
From the Queens Gazette:
“For 33 years, the white bubble covering Tennisport has served as a landmark in the Hunters Point section of Long Island City. Officials last week confirmed that it’s game, set and match for the tennis center, which will close its doors for good on July 31st to make way for a massive housing development at the East River site. The family that owns the tennis center said they would love to keep it open for another year, but city officials are pressuring them to shut down so construction of the housing complex can get underway.”
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The mayor is saying 60% but I was pretty sure at the meetings that the figure was 30% “Moderate and middle income.” I’m all for 60% and hope that it is indeed 60% but I think the city is pulling another one on us here.
1, that’s part of the HPS site. Then there’s another parcel that stretches east along the Newtown Creek.
Tennisport may have been a landmark in LIC for 33 years, but I would be hard-pressed to think of a more unloved neighborhood businesses than that place. Good riddance! As soon as that bubble is deflated, it’ll be quickly forgotten.
#4 makes an anonymous attack on an individual. #4 provides no credible background story or basis. Why not require a poster like this to identify himself, provide a credible and verifiable story or be deleted?
I think the middle school is planned for across from the old smokehouse on 5th Street closer to Anable Basin. Plans already filed here — http://a810-bisweb.nyc.gov/bisweb/JobsQueryByNumberServlet?requestid=3&passjobnumber=402878631&passdocnumber=01
5,000 new units of housing… that’s a lotta extra people taking the 7 train
7, the environmental impact statement for Hunters Point South says that there is plenty of capacity on the No. 7 to handle the new riders at the Vernon Jackson station.
Wow, I wonder where they got that information from. There’s barely enough capacity to handle the current HP population on the #7 at rush hour.
I never have a proble getting on the 7 during rush hour – as long as there are no delays or police investigations which back up service.
I agree #10. Unless there is a problem, which can affect any subway line, the #7 train is the best out there. It was just awarded ‘Cleanest’ by a consumer advocacy group within the last week.
If the MTA expanded bus (or ferry?) service in LIC to Manhattan, then that could certainly alleviate any future pressure on the V-J station from Hunters Point South.
There has been a tiny bit of talk to providing express bus service to LIC in the future, but it’s in it’s beginning stages of discussion. Could be a few years down the road, but the city is thinking about it, at least.
The East River has got to be one of the most underused resources of any similar waterway around the world. If we had a really innovate and well-funded transit system and politicians with any vision, we would have mass transit ferry stops all over the Queens, Brooklyn, and Manhattan waterfronts. Or can you imagine a bridge dedicated to bikes and pedestrians right to the UN? It kills me that we are do damn close to Manhattan and yet we have to rely on a creaking subway system build over 100 years ago.
I would love a bridge that goes from LIC to the southern tip of Roosevelt Island and then on to Manhattan! Wishful thinking!
The difference between NYC today and a century and more ago is that when people in government had dreams, they made them realities. There was very little wishful thinking. That’s why we even have the subway, tunnels and the East River bridges, which were considered near-impossible feats back then.
Uh, why not just take the Queensboro Bridge to Manhattan?
Also, the subway is pretty great, and 24 hours. What is the complaint about the subway? I came home from Gramercy (don’t ask) at 3:30 AM last night and it only took 20 minutes.
Transit could of course be even better– but drivers fight simple revenue-raising schemes like bridge tolls and congestion pricing tooth-and-nail.
The Queenboro Bridge is at least 30 minutes to walk to, not to mention the time added crossing it. I agree with #15, a “green” pedestrian bridge would be great-something really beautiful and modern, it could even have a garden like the Highline.
18, the only places where great ideas like that ever see the light of day are Dubai, Malaysia, and Finland. Let’s face it: NYC has had it’s moment, and it’s only downhill from here.
#18, ride a bike?
#19, if you think Dubai and Malaysia have good ideas… they can keep them. Awful urbanism. Palm-tree shaped artificial islands? Really???
18 – The East River is too wide for a pedestrian bridge. To make one as you envision and high enough for boats to pass would cost a fortune.
Dubai is having huge problems with financing those crazy buildings. They rely entirely on oil revenue.
The cost of building in NY because of the unions does make things too expensive, but how can you say we don’t do things nowadays? Two new baseball stadiums, the 2nd Avenue subway, the rebuilding of the World Trade Center (I know there were delays based on politics, but once the building started things are getting done), the extension of the 7 line, the LIRR tunnel to Grand Central – just look at the LIC waterfront and how that is getting tranformed. I could probably find 50 more things to bring up.
I’m 18. No, and I don’t ride a bike. and I don’t see how that’s the solution.
21, true. But if we could have “New York versions” of those kinds of ideas, the city would be a much better place to be. That’s what I was trying to get at. Nothing approaching that is possible here anymore. Just look at the fiasco in the making in lower Manhattan. It’s embarrassing.
I agree with 24. The ideas are out there-all this new technology is generating an abundance of good, green design. There are just no visionaries to implement them. New York is very old school in its thinking. I mean, stadiums???? That’s the best we could come up with? They’re not even solar-powered. Innovation is what we need today. It doesn’t have to be expensive. And I do think LIC has the space for those types of projects. We’re never going to be the next Williamsburg, as some often suggest. We can be better.
Also the difference between today and thosee days where a Robert Moses type could exist is that you didn’t have community boards and land use review and public meetings, lobbyists, public advocay groups, protester singing kumbaya and all the other nonsense that happens today. They whole system is set up for inaction. Look at the WTC. Freaking shame almost a decade later and next to nothing has been done. Robert Moses did in a year what would take today’s politicans a lifetime. Sorry, #22 NYC is no longer a place where inovation in urban planning takes place. You need to go to China to see that nowadays.
Robert Moses nearly destroyed this city with his insistence on highways through city neighborhoods leading people out, and his neglect of mass transit. If he wasn’t stopped we wouldn’t have SoHo today and the city would have been dead.
If you look at when construction actually began at Ground Zero, a lot of progress has been made. Within 2 years the whole area will be open and looking good.
Sorry 27 – I disagree. It took 18 months to build the empire state building (in the middle of the great depression by the way). Nearly 7 seven years later the WTC is still a hole in the ground and we are still wringing our hands about what to do with it. Its an embarrasment plain and simple. Say what you want about robert moses, but he got things done. The man had a vision and executed which is more than I can say about the do-nothings that we seem to be stuck with today.
The stadiums are shameful. Only driven up the cost of the baseball games. Mayor Mikes great plan for the city. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GREEN. Wasted resources, yea given a couple of contractor’s huge MEGO contracts that barely saw the money go into their employees hands. But I agree…we need some vision. i can’t see how a bridge would be feasible or practical. I suppose they could do another tram? Would be twice as long. They did put the water recycle turbines in the East river…that was pretty forward thinking.
Uh, take the subway.
This city has done a lot but they don’t do things to make it more pedestrian or bike friendly. I would love to bike to work in midtown but it’s really hard from Hunter’s Point to just go across the river!
Be grateful NYC wasn’t awarded the 2012 Summer Olympics. I can’t imagine what a disaster that would have been, and it would have all taken place right here in LIC.
28, I don’t think Robert Moses had anything to do with the Empire State Building. Also getting things done shouldn’t be the soul determinant. Mussolini got the trains working on time. For all the worthwhile projects Moses worked on he also decimated several important neighborhoods. He is also responsible for the focus on oil dependent cars at the expense of modernizing the public transit system.
I meant at the expense of not modernizing the transit system.
I’m no urban planning historian/ expert, but what would the traffic situation in NYC be like today had Moses not built all of those highways? I imagine NYC would be a series of disconnected, sprawling neighborhoods jammed with local traffic, kind of like London. While certain areas of the city were devastated to realize his vision, many of the access points for cars we take for granted today were made possible by him.
I’m not saying we don’t need highways. I’m only pointing out that certain neighborhoods were literally cut in half. In general these were poor neighborhoods. More affluent neighborhoods either did not get highways or more compatible locations with more attractive design and landscaping and access were built.
If you read_ The Power Broker_ by Robert Caro, then you’ll have some idea of what you’re trying to talk about. :-)
I was against the size of this development from day 1. This will equate to 12 Avalons in that space. I fought during the scoping meetings and all that changed was the park going from 10 1/2 acres to 11. Small victory. That land should have been at least half park.
Wonder what the folks at Powerhouse are thinking right now…
The city seems anxious to build, but not a peep as to who will build it. Last I heard was a REBNY consortium lobbying hard.
If that land was half park, it’s be a huge drug infested area!! Are you kidding?!?
Stay on the Upper East Side, you’re not wanted or needed here. Luckily, you don’t work in LIC much.
Are you saying Central Park is a drug invested area, or Prospect Park or Riverside Park? Seems like #39 has been in some small parks getting drugs. Half park would have been amazing, thanks for trying Andrew. Queens has the lowest park space per capita of any borough.
39 spews: “Stay on the Upper East Side, you’re not wanted or needed here. Luckily, you don’t work in LIC much.”
39′s arteries must be hardening or this is just a very unhappy person. Most people I know do not agree with this attitude irregardless of which side of the debate we are on.
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Hey 42, please stop using the word “we”. We here are not disrespectful anti-dialogue as you appear to be. There are some of us who welcome intelligent dialogue and completely reject cowardly anonymous attacks.
#26, ever hear of Jane Jacobs?
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How about all who take part in anonymous personal bashing and name calling just learn to be civil?
Yeah, anonymous personal bashing is so, well, anonymous.
Sometimes liQcity is busy with park openings and increased events in general due to the season, and/or on vacation for July 4th, or for whatever reason not paying attention to older threads. Since this blog is a small operation and still allows anonymous commenting, with an increasing requirement of moderation, it would be great if in general everyone all could restrain from needlessly or libelously bashing each other. Thanks.
PS. If you see comments that you feel should be removed, and you feel strongly about it, email info@liqcity to alert us. In the future maybe we’ll have flagging…
What happened to comments #42 and #46? All that’s left is a period in both comments.
Are these 5,000 new homes going to be rentals, condos, co-ops? Will they be high-rise? It would have been nice to know about these plans before committing to a 3/4 of a million dollar condo near by. While a school could help bring more families to the area, it could also lead to more garbage, graffiti and vandalism. Kids, afterall, will be kids. I’m worried about my property value, and of course, my view of Manhattan which was NOT CHEAP.
I am really confused I just purchased in the Powerhouse. I have a great view now but did not expect it to last. Are they saying a low level building or buildings is going where the tennis bubble is or a high rise??????????????
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am sooooo confused……..I thought a middle school was supposed to go where the bubble is, and the high school goes at the bottom of the new Rockrose site. The Hunters Point South site is the old Daily News plant up to an including the Water Taxi Beach? Can someone clarify this info for me?