I like me too.

Charlie.

Anyway #40, “snail mail” is efficient mail. It gets things accomplished in ways that e-mail could only imagine. There was no reason for you to ask others, to do the work of looking it up for you. If you need others to do so, then you will probably do nothing about it anyway. I stated what I did, in detail, to show all the things which can be done, not to do the work for others. If you would have taken the time to understand what I had written, you might have realized that I was implying an organized effort, not just having people sitting at their computers and shooting off e-mails, on a mostly fruitless effort.

Now, as far as Macy’s doing this out of the “goodness of their bank book”; that is far, far from the case. No “for profit” company on this planet, would lay out that kind of money, unless it will put more money in their account, or bolster their image in ways which would ultimately mean more money in their account, or both. It’ a purely business venture, that’s all.

Poster #43 is correct, in the sense that no one area has a right to the fireworks show. If you want it back, you’ll have to work at it. The businesses in Hunters Point, profited greatly from it. Now businesses elsewhere will profit greatly from it.

Here’s my post from over at Queenswest.com, on the subject:

From the look of the map on the Macy’s site (from the provided link), it appears that the barges indeed, are more than a mile further downriver than they used to be. The Greenpoint waterfront will appear to have the eastern shore premium spots; a prized position which used to belong to the Hunters Point waterfront.

Maybe all of those in Hunters Point, who wish the fireworks barges to return to their more northerly positions, should write to Macy’s, to let them know. Starting a petition and having it circulated in the neighborhood for the next six months or so, should hopefully provide enough signatures, along with individual requests from business owners, Community Board 2, and from all of the elected representatives for the area.

The fireworks show brings huge numbers of people into the neighborhood. It’s like Christmas in July for the local businesses, and for some, it’s their biggest sales day of the year (or close to it). Looking at the big picture, it’s the biggest day of the year, period, for Hunters Point. A lot less people coming to experience the show, due to the loss of this prime viewing location, will mean that much less business for the local shops. In addition, the real estate salespeople probably use it as a selling/enticing point in their sales pitches. Without the very up close and personal, in-your-face fireworks show, as has usually been the case, there very well might be less Independence Day parties in the waterfront buildings, which is both a lost selling point for the buildings’ agents, and more loss (or less gain, in reference to the unfinished ones) for the local businesses. It might affect overall apartment sales, but that’s really a big unknown, as there would be too many variables in that equation.

As long as the fireworks show is funded by a for profit company (Macy’s and others), then you will get what they decide to give you. Money and image talks. You will have to convince them that it’s in their best interests, for them to return to Hunters Point. It appears that Tishman – Speyer convinced them to move downriver. If you’re not ready to roll up your sleeves, and get busy with the business of trying to convince them to come back upriver; then the wishes and the interests of the neighborhood, will forever mean nothing to them.
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As far as the Fouth Of July being about businesses these days, and not about patriotism, as #48 stated; it is about business, and everything else American. We are celebrating the birthday of our country. It’s about patriotism, people, culture, and business. It’s about everything that we are, and everything that we do.

So, #48, do you attend any memorial services, attend any special services or observeances, or visit a national cemetary, or observe the national moment of silence, or visit any monuments or memorials to those who served the country, but are no longer with us, on Memorial Day? Do you visit a VA hospital, or State Veterans Nursing Home, or watch a Veterans parade, or mail holiday cards to hospitalized Veterans, or even thank a Veteran on Veterans Day? Have you donned the uniform and served the country yourself? Have you done volunteer work in the communities in which you’ve lived? Do you vote in every election? Do you have a flag (of any size) displayed in your place of residence? These are all things which are patriotic. There are others, also. If you do/have done all, or most of these things , then you can make comments on what passes for patriotism. If not, then your comments on such, have no substance.

Charlie.

Oh I’m sorry, you’re right- those local deli’s really have it good… they make tiny profit margins, pay through the nose for rent, and maybe they get to put their kids through college. Screw TS for pulling that crap and showing no love for NYC. greedy pricks.

It might be helpful if you could find and post an address for others, being as you brought it up.

Charlie.

You can send all the e-mails you want, but they will never be taken seriously, because e-mails involve an absolute minimum of effort. Look at what LIQCity did concerning the “toxic dust” situation. Does anyone seriously believe that if they had simply sent e-mails, called 311, and/or bitched on a message board to all concerned, that the situation would have garnered the attention that it did? If anyone, any organization, or any corporation sees that you are not going the extra mile to convince them (in this case, of their error in moving the fireworks show southward), then they in turn will put the same effort into resolving it; virtually nothing.

Charlie.

I’m pretty pissed about the whole thing. If you read Macy’s website, they said that if you had a view of the East River below Roosevelt Island, you would be able to see the fireworks. We did and we did not.

I hope people are calling Eric G., NBC, etc. This is bad for LIC businesses– this could mean a big loss for them each year. I was talking to the guy at the liquor store and he said it was his biggest day of the year.