FDNY to LIC: Don’t bother yelling Fire in Dutch Kills. Or Roosevelt Island.

Hunters Point firehouse #115, LIC
More budget cuts to hit Long Island City, only this time it’s not the MTA. It’s the FDNY and Dutch Kills is in danger of losing a very important firehouse (aren’t they all?) No. 116, which also serves Roosevelt Island. Needless to say, no one is very happy about this, and there’s already been the obligatory political/press protest of the firehouse closing on Friday.
Officially FDNY has not announced exactly which firehouses they’re shutting down in the city, but No 116 appears to be on the potential chopping block. For those wondering about Hunters Point’s equally vital firehouse #115, so far there aren’t any rumors or politicians chaining themselves to the station, so we’ll take that as a good sign. Though this is hardly good news in general:
Overall, the Bloomberg administration is proposing to cut $27 million from the Fire Department in fiscal year 2011 — equal to about a 1.7 percent cut in controllable city funds. To close a budget gap, the administration has proposed to reduce the number of firefighters per engine, get rid of the so-called outdated street fire alarm boxes and, most controversially, close 20 fire companies.
The administration has not said what companies could close, and it does not have to until 45 days before the budget deadline of June 30, according to a mayoral spokesperson. When asked how the department would select fire companies to close, a Fire Department spokesperson e-mailed: “The criteria would be, as always, to allocate our available resources as best we can to protect the citizens of New York City.”
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FDNY budget cuts burns NYC [Gotham Gazette]
VIDEO: Mayor’s proposed firehouse cuts including Dutch Kills/LIC [NY1]
Please don’t close LIC Firehouse 116 (Dutch Kills) [Queens Gazette]
Roosevelt Island not happy about firehouse closing [Roosevelt Islander]
No one likes budget cuts, especially when they are in your backyard and when they are for critical services, but something has to be done to right the financial house. Out of control spending is what makes these cuts necessary. Unfortunately cutting anything is next to impossible, because the minute it is proposed the protesters come out and start demanding that it stay. It seems that the American voter is much like the American consumer. Spend spend spend on credit until credit is no longer availible and then watch the house of cards come crumbling down.
All very good points, except that it appears that the #116 is second busiest firehouse in Queens. Seems like a pretty stupid decision to close that one, and surely one that could cost some lives.
So what are they going to do, cut 115? I live in front of 115 and they are out every second. How much more work could they handle? By the way, any chance of them not testing their motor-saws before 9am on the weekends? It gets kinda annoying.
Well #3, you proved my point. If they went to some other firehouse I’m sure there would be some equally compelling reason to keep that one open and so on and so on. This is why we get into these fiscal crisis. Everyone refuses to budge so nothing ever gets cut and we just keep spending like there’s no problem. Personally I wish they would cut some of the fat and waste before messing with cops and firemen, but any cut is a good one.
The unions are the major problem in this city and state. Health and pension benefits are outrageous and sucking taxpayers dry. Reform labor costs and we won’t have to close any firehouses or lay off any teachers, etc.
#6 never had a union job, eh?
#6 is right. According to a recent article in Forbes: “The city has a $60 billion in unfunded pension obligations alone. New York City’s pension bill comes to $7,115 per city resident–that’s what happens when a pension system has 700,000 total members. Pension costs and employee health care represent two of the city’s fastest-growing expenditures. New York’s debt load has reached $65 billion; servicing that debt is expected to eat up 14.5% of tax revenues this year.”
Just think of what could be done with that kind of money to improve life in this city.
8, right. There’s no problem coughing up for bailouts and taxpayer supported subsidies to billionaires and financial industry scumbags while casting blame on middle-class people just trying to get along in this insanely expensive city — people who do much more valuable work in keeping this city functioning and safe than any a-hole on Wall Street.
I agree with #6 & #8. Look what unionization did to the auto industry in Detroit.
10, you mean build up a strong middle class that was able to live productive lives and enjoy the fruits of their hard labor? The car industry was plagued by terrible management and lack of vision — why don’t you blame them for the collapse of those industries? They’re the ones who ran these places. To blame workers who built up those industries and made good products for many years is shameful. This race to the bottom in this country, where we’re expected to treat our workers like China and India while the execs bleed their companies dry, is what’s breaking us apart.
11, no, I meant crippling the manufacturers with their outrageous benefits plans. People who retired in their 50’s after serving 25-30 years got benefits for life for themselves, their spouses, their children and in some cases their grandchildren. If you figure that the average American lives until their mid-70’s, these former workers had full benefits for almost 20 years beyond the last day they worked. And when the companies tried to introduce – heaven forbid – co-pays or payroll contributions to the benefits they were met with full-out resistance, threats of strikes, etc. I’m all for a strong middle class and people earning a livable wage but the unions in this country, as in every country, need a reality check.
9- go cry me a river. Your comments show that you do not know what you are talking about. Do you think the executives at Bear Stearns made out intact? They were wiped out. The company and its creditors were held up because otherwise we would have had another Great Depression. Look what happened after Lehman went down. If we didn’t bail out the money markets unemployment would be over 20%.
The unions are the worst problem in the country right now. The automakers went down because labor costs were too high and work rules too restrictive. The government worker unions are even worse. You can’t justify paying people for 30 years who are not working. You can’t justify the excessive pensions and benefits. They whole system is screwed up.
Government union workers need to switch to defined contribution plans and they need to pay toward their health benefits. Those two fixes alone (which would also fix the early retirement problem) would save the city and state budgets.
If Bloomberg paid attention to providing basic service to the City instead of trying to upzone every inch of property to benefit the already fattened development industry, we would not be worried about a lack of fire companies, diminished transportation, etc, etc.
#9, I would point out that the banks that were bailed out in general have paid back the money – with interest. The US governement has made billions on their investments. The automakers who are heavily indebted to the labor unions on the other hand have not paid a red cent back and have no viable plan to do so.
Also the cost of living in NYC is high in part because of unions. Research indicates that the cost of running a unionized operation is 25% to 35% greater than for a non-unionized one, and this figure does not reflect any negotiated changes in unionized employee wages or benefits. Who do you think is paying for this? Consumers.
Go read up on Cripple Creek for a little perspective about why unions had to be created. One can make an argument that there wouldn’t have been any real technological or social progress without them. That neo-con factions have expended so much effort demonizing unions without ever acknowledging their necessity is a civil perpetration of a high order. So, who benefits? Social engineers, maybe, with a long-term strategy of profit, like bankers and the rest of the crew with parasitic opportunities. “Masters of the Universe?”
Have a nice day :-)
We will know on May 17th what houses will be shut down. The Community Boards require a 45-day notice when a firehouse is closing and the Mayor doesn’t plan on giving them an extra day to fight it.
There was a rally at L116 last week but it is because Engine 261 (that was quartered in the same firehouse on 29th St) was closed by Bloomberg in 2003. There is no evidence that L116 is on the chopping block but from rumors floating around, we would all be “very surprised” at what companies will close.
And I’m sorry #4, but FDNY regulations state that the apparatus and equipment are to be checked 1 hour before the tour (the day tour starts at 9am). It is not the house’s idea to start up the saws, but a dept. rule. There are 200 firehouses doing the same thing at the same time.
If L116 closes, their response area will be split up and added to the response areas of L115 on 47th Ave, L163 on 51st St, and L117 on Astoria Blvd.
Townie, please explain why unions are necessary today in 2010 – not 100 years ago. I’d be interested in hearing your view.
20, they may be even more necessary today because workers have become an expendable commodity. Look the problem is not wages and benefits. It’s the dependency on foreign production of just about everything. This is unfortunately fueled not only by management seeking the largest possible margin but also by the very same workers who want constantly new but cheap goods.
Asia loves what suckers we are.
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I think #115 will be affected by the #116 closing as well, since now they will be called upon to handle fires in DK and probably sometimes in RI as well. That means if there’s a fire at the waterfront, the truck might be out somewhere pretty far away. We should all invest in some fire extinguishers and maybe also basic training on how to properly handle a household fire.