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Feb 23 2010

LIC’s Queens West gets a brief breather from MTA ventilation fan noise

LIC exhaust fans from above – Photo

LIC’s recent Town Hall stirred up everyone in attendance over the 7 train shutdowns, but that wasn’t the only MTA-related issue under fire. The noise of the exhaust fans parked on 50th Ave between 2nd & 5th St – which seem to be right up there with the LIRR drone on the list of extreme LIC annoyances – is back in the spotlight.

Via NYT:

“No one denies that they are a necessity: The fans clean the air in a tunnel for the No. 7 subway line when workers are making repairs, something that has happened a lot in the past few weeks and that will continue for several more weeks. But the problem is that the fans come on without warning, mostly late at night, and stay on for hours, driving people to distraction because the noise makes sleeping virtually impossible.”

When faced with a direct inquiry about the fans at the Town Hall, MTA reps said it would cost $300,000 to muffle the noise, “but that money would be hard to come by with the agency facing serious financial problems.” However, apparently they tried to give LIC a break last weekend and instead turned on fans in Manhattan. Thanks?

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NYC has a law that says if a construction project causes interior noise levels in neighboring buildings to increase over a certain level, then the project sponsor must do everything necessary to mitigate that noise impact. So why is the MTA immune from that law? Other agencies in the city must comply with this standard.

Also, why can’t the MTA just budget noise muffling as part of the No. 7 project? That project is costing tens of millions of dollars. $300,000 for doing what should be legally required is a drop in the bucket. If i were one of the affected condo owners, I would take these bastards to court.

#1 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

When do we get 7train weekend service back?

#2 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I think if there is a class action lawsuit from the residents affected they might be more cost effective to pay the $300k than to deal with the lawsuit.

#3 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

And which of the residents would pay for this law suit?

#4 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Last I heard, lawyers take cases based on a percentage of the settlement if and when they win, no money upfront.

#5 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Citylights has plenty of lawyers that could do this pro-bono. Plus I would think that it would not go all the way to court because the MTA will do the math and figure that it is more cost effective to spend the $300K and not spend it on legal fees and still run the risk that they will have to install the noise dampeners anyway.

#6 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I’m so glad I bought on the north side (in Citylights). Our views might not be as good now but it’s quiet!

#7 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

The only thing the MTA will respond to is threats. Take the $300K from one of the bonuses they pay.

#8 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Why is that building built on a diagonal in the lot?

#9 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

North side views in Citylights are worth more. That’s why their main. is more than the exact same layout/line apartment that faces south. When Hunters Point South and the Powerhouse gets built out, you’ll see why.

#10 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Where exactly is this fan? I live on a low building onVernon, so I am not affected — but I saw this story on the news last night and they were describing it as a screeching, jackhammer-like sound.

#11 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I am thinking about living in the Powerhouse. Does this noise affect any of this building’s units?

#12 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Heck yeah #12. It’s right across the street. Even closer than the Citylights building. Powrhouse is def. affected. Just not as many people bought there so it’s relatively empty compared to Cl or the senior housing in the Avalon building. The noise also affects the Foundry condo project, but to a lesser extent.

#13 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I live several blocks away and I can hear it. From that distance it more of a drone that gets lost in the background, but I can see how it could be madding at closer distances. Interesting fact in the article was that there was a second fan in Manhattan that could be used. Why then has LIC been burdened with 100% of the noise pollution to date? 3 guesses as to why.

#14 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

#14 Another good question would be if the fans in Manhattan have the noise dampeners or if residents from that side have started to complain.

#15 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I assume that this is the other ventillation shaft they are talking about. If it is than it is very intersting that they decide to use the LIC vents as opposed to the one in Manhattan that is surrounded by basketball courts, the UN (office space) and a vacante construction site.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=40.748277,-73.969687&spn=0.002788,0.004528&t=h&z=18

#16 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Welcome to LIC, folks, NYC’s ugly stepchild. Now you too are beginning to experience first-hand what some of us old-timers have for decades, getting crapped on or ignored by the city. It was always to their convenience we were the “industrial wasteland” because they could keep giving us the shaft and we would have to put up with it.

Old habits die hard. It’ll take a lot more heat on the MTA before they amend their ways.

#17 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

While I do sympathize with the noise issue very much, I do find it interesting that the biggest complaint is about the sound of the fan, and not at all the fact that they are directly blowing the toxic exhaust from the cars in the tunnel right into our direct air supply.

#18 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

If you look at the map No. 16 posted, you’ll see that it’s a no-brainer to use the fans there instead of those on 50th Avenue. So why was a decision made to use the fans on 50th Avenue? MTA idiots.

#19 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

#17, how long have you been living in LIC?

#20 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

If you HAD to choose a battle, which one would you rather win: the fans or the annual maintenance disruptions?

#21 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

21, I want it all, and I really don’t think that there is a a reason why we need to choose.

#22 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

#9 it’s built that way to allow for the fans to blow the air out of as much window as possible, as to not be perhaps blocked by an adjacent building. Though I can’t imagine anyone would live right next to that…

#23 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

I assume it was built that way before the street grid was in place or before the other buildings around it were there. Or maybe b/c of the way the vent is positioned underground.

#24 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

A more effective strategy might be to get an activist politician to get a grant of money specifically for the purpose of noise abatement. But that isn’t a near term solution for those of us who have to put up with the jet engine drone — and yes — it’s back this weekend.

I’m struck by the “Manhattan fans won’t work” excuse. Can’t hurt. And maybe we can take turns so we only have to give up four hours of sleep a night — or one out of every two nights.

These grants are the the set-asides in legislative session we hear about in the papers (pork) — though this is obviously not a good year for it.

The city council should be pushed and so should the state legislature; once the MTA gets the money and its dedicated by law to only the 49th Street noise abatement construction project, then it will happen.

Give the eyesore that the outlet is — the legislation should also include a strategic “masking” of the site. If you have ever seen the ones in Brooklyn they look like brownstones; even the neighbors don’t know what they are. This is often sold as a security issue. Terrorists cant find the fan plants when they look like houses; see this link to the NYTimes article describing the Brooklyn solution:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9404EED81130F935A15751C1A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

C’mon MTA and Mayor Bloomberg — what’s good for Brooklyn is good for Queens — and ultimately is good for New York City!

#25 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

Councilman Van Bramer seems to be your best bet:

http://jimmyvanbramer.com/contact

Everybody who cares should contact him — and more than once!

#26 Anonymous / 1 year, 11 months ago

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