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Dec 8 2009

Those pesky idling LIRR trains: has change finally come for LIC?

LIRR and Hunters Point cityscape circa ’06, Long Island City

LIRR trains have been idling for hours on end on LIC’s Borden Ave for years, yet it was only after continued complaints from new One Hunters Point condo residents that everyone really started paying attention.

This past summer LIC residents were still struggling with the LIRR and its infernal drone as the Murano Condos started going up on Borden Ave, right at the scene of the problem. It seems everyone involved plays the blame game every time the issue is brought up, but fortunately things seem to be improving:

‘We have been able to reduce some idling times by shutting down certain locomotives, as well as revising train movement and placement within the yard.’ [...] ‘We do caution that it may not always be possible to keep diesels idling and noise at this current level, especially during winter when cold weather temperatures may require that diesel trains be kept running,’ Arena said. ‘Otherwise, we will have difficulty starting the trains.’

The locomotives have been moved to the southern portion of the yard, near Newtown Creek, creating less noise for neighbors on Borden Ave. and Vernon Blvd. ‘It’s getting quieter during the day,’ said Gary Lucero, 18, who works at Bricktown Bagel and Café, less than a block from the railyard, and lives nearby. ‘You don’t hear it as much as you used to.’

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This is good news, and they should keep working the issue. To all the naysayers who said absolutely nothing could be done, what do you say now? Many of the suggestions were actually put in place including shutting the trains down and moving them further up the track.

#1 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

It is still ridiculously loud there during the day despite what the article says. And it will only be worse for the Murano Condos which are 100% glass.

Anyone know how One Hunters Point is selling? That would be a good indicator of whether or not anyone would want to buy there.

#2 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

No. 1 is right. The MTA needs to go a few steps further by installing other noise attenuation measures and addressing air quality pollution as well. Like many other industrial uses in LIC, they’ve exploited their residential neighbors and ignored their complaints for far too long.

One more thing, as a long-term resident who has written several times to the LIRR in years past, I am deeply gratified for the support of many of my new neighbors in getting the noise issue addressed. It shows me that when the older and newer residents work together, we’re capable of building a better neighborhood. I hope we can continue.

#3 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

We should also link up with other communities that have issues with the LIRR. Why should some semi-public/private company dictate our quality of life with air and noise issues?!? It’s not just a LIC thing, it’s a Queens/Brooklyn and Long Island thing.

Fight the LIRR!!!

#4 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

The should plant tall shurbs around the perimiter of the track to serve as a noise barrier. There are plenty of simple and logical steps that cost very little that can be implemented.

#5 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

Yeah, a total deal-breaker for Murano Condos. Those units will be shaking all morning and all day with that terrible noise, not to mention the diesel pollution. You would have to be nutsto even consider living there!

#6 ueueu / 2 years, 2 months ago

Is #6 a broker for another condo in the area?

#7 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

I am not a broker (nor am I #6) – but honestly the buildings really do vibrate when the trains are idling. It’s really hard to ignore it.

I looked at One Hunters Point on the weekend and it was great. Then I went during the weekday and I was shocked at how annoying the noise/vibrations were.

Perhaps they can put up some type of barrier there to mitigate the problem.

#8 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

I’m sure there are some very effective noise mitigation techniques that are used on rail lines around the globe. Why am I not surprised that the MTA hasn’t invested in them and shows little interest in ever doing so?

#9 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

“Pesky” is probably the wrong word to describe the horrendous noise and vibrations from the LIRR. I suggest substituting the word “menace” instead. There have been studies on the long-term health damage caused by prolonged exposure to vibrations like those at the train yard. I wish that people in LIC wouldn’t just view this as a petty annoyance for the condo residents across the street — it’s a serious quality of life issue for many of us who live or work in the neighborhood.

#10 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

Hmm the south end of the track – maybe that’s why I am hearing the trains more now since that is closer to my building in LIC. Anyway, I like # 4s suggestion to check with other towns and how they dealt with the problem. Montauk – the end of south fork line of the LIRR had a noise problem too. A local group petitioned the LIRR to shut the trains down as the idling noise was a big problem. The group collected signatures of people leaving the train on Friday night. Maybe you could see if Bricktown would allow a petition to be placed near the register to collect signatures. The petition worked in Montauk and I am sure it can also work in LIC.

#11 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

why are these trains using diesel in the first place? i grew up in jersey where the trains are all electric and have been for 25 years.

#12 will / 2 years, 2 months ago

Should be interesting when HPS development is complete and the tracks are surrounded by even more residential buildings and more people are complaining.
What do trains do in Penn Station and Grand Central? Is it possible to cover them?

What are the planned completion/move in dates for the first phases of the development?

#13 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

Trains in NJ aren’t all electric. The Raritan Valley line in NJ is diesel and everyone has to switch in Newark because only electric ones are allowed to go through the tunnel. I’m guessing its the same situation for the Hunter’s Point line.

#14 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

I think the double decker trains are both diesel and electric and some do go into penn. I believe they have dual fuel/engine systems since some parts of LI do not have a 3rd rail for electric. But you are on to something here – can/is HP rail yard electrified and can using electrictiy to run the train dampen the noise? I think the only way to stop the noise it to make some people noise – any takers?

#15 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

Anything can be done – with the proper resources to allcate towards it. The LIRR will not spend the money until they feel they have to which is why it is important to keep up the pressure and continue to complain. There are plenty of simple fixes for this that cost little to implement, but if the LIRR is unwilling to implement them then they should spend the money to remediate the noise.

#16 Anonymous / 2 years, 2 months ago

They continue to use diesel becasue the lines that are at ground level out east are not electric beacause of flood zones. That is probably why the lines in LIC are diesel, as LIC is one big flood zone. The diesel engines cannot go into penn staion only the electric and the double decker cars are too tall to go into the tunnel to penn.

#17 Becca / 2 years, 2 months ago

Because.

B E C A U S E

Love ya, Becca

xox

#18 Townie / 2 years, 2 months ago

I just bought a house at the end of the runway at JFK. The noise and vibration are killing me! Can you guys help me shut down the airport?

#19 Don Anon / 2 years, 2 months ago

OH poor poor pitiful LUXURY home debtors….they bought sight unseen because housing was an investment…

That would have been a great place to build a section 8 low income building….

#20 ricky / 2 years, 2 months ago

ricky and don- bitter much?

#21 21 / 2 years, 1 month ago

If you are interested in joining a Queens group that has formed to combat railroad noise and emissions, please e-mail Mary Arnold, co-founder of CURES (Civics United for Railroad Environmental Solutions) at civicsunited@gmail.com.

#22 CURES / 2 years, 1 month ago

Here is the link of on line peptition, if you believe in we can make a better in LIC , we should work together. Please feel free to sign in the peptiton and tell your friends to help us too! Thanks!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/idlenomore/

#23 Steven Shen / 2 years, 1 month ago

Now if we could get the people living in the big condos on Borden to be noise considerate themselves… the people in the little buildings behind them could get more sleep at night.

#24 Anonymous / 2 years, 1 month ago

boo-effing-hoo.

Choose to live across from railroad tracks then complain about the trains? The developers should be petitioned and harassed, not the LIRR.

#25 id / 2 years, 1 month ago

Real progress:
http://www.liqcity.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Response_from_LIRR_ref_train_noise_in_LIC.pdf

#26 Jose D. / 2 years, 1 month ago

Vegetative barrier?!?! It would be great if the railroads cleaned up and planted their property and rights of way for aesthetic reasons because the railroad corridor is disgraceful dump site in many areas. The last time I looked these rights of ways were narrow. This was NYC, where every square inch of land is owned by someone and communities are living on top of the rail corridor. So a Greenstreets project paid for by taxpayers is no substitute — to reduce noise and threats to public health — for the railroads’ upgrading their aging equipment and taking community costs into account. Necessary upgrades including installing anti-idling techology and repowering to reduce idling times and harmful diesel emissions. They also must adjust schedules to reduce community hazards and burdens like noise and bad air quality. as LIRR response to homeowners in LI City shows, they absolutely have the responsibility and power to do this!

#27 Mary / 1 year, 12 months ago

Damn so now i know why the heating is always been finiky on the outbound montauk trains. after some reasearch i learned that when trains are started up from a cold start in the first 30 minutes they consume 5 times more fuel and dont heat the train. Sorry but is reduced noise worth the extremely high extra fuel used?

#28 Unca / 1 year, 6 months ago

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