HP South update: Affordable Housing coming soon to a fence near you

Where have you been the last few years? What do you mean you hope it doesn’t happen? Why wouldn’t you want more housing built in this hugely over-populated city? Why wouldn’t you like more park space or new and better streets with access to the great LIC waterfront?

How will be destroy the neighborhood though? There is no housing there now, just empty lots and a few businesses that have completely sealed off the waterfront for decades. Now that will be available to everyone.

Uh-oh the Tower People are coming!!!!
How could you possibly be against turning an abondoned eyesore into a mixed use development with waterfront parks and schools. The local economy is going to benefit exponentially. Let’s just hope its not all chains stores and yuppies.

Does anyone know if there are plans in place to accomodate all the expected new residents? Can the Vernon/Jackson subway support that many more commuters in its current condition?

hey #7, what make you feel like you have more of a right to live there than other people?

I’m not a hypocrite. I just don’t want some half-human bums inhabiting my neighborhood.

Not only is the city putting the LIC Yard noise on our backs, its also putting hundreds of middle class idiots on our backs! Can’t you understand?

I believe #7 is indulging in what the Brits call taking the piss out of the board.

To be sure, there are a lot of benefits to the development economically, but believe it would be much more beneficial if the city was less involved and allowed more private development in Hunters Point South.

Good news #15, now I won’t have to sit next to a poor person on the train if I cannot get on the train at all.

I’m sure they’ll figure it out at least with running ferries. And if someone is so worried about sitting next to poor people then take a limo or car service.

Actually they will not be doing ferry service. Last I heard there was a proposal to have a bus run through the midtown tunnel. There is some weird anti-ferry belief within the city transportation people, so imagine how it will be when there are tons more people walking north on 5th street to Vernon every morning and by tons I mean 4000. I like the idea of the development and think it is a great use of the land, as well as a good counterbalance to all of the “luxury housing” already built but there are going to be real problems with the infrastructure that are not limited to the subway.

#21 why shouldn’t the MTA takeover the ferries? Other cities all over the world have Government subsidized ferry service but NYC should ignore this mode of transportation for a mode that is almost full, and even with the new signals will only increase the amount of room by a very small amount. You must not have to commute between 8am and 10am.

HPS will have an array of free pedal-boats. Additionally in exchange for the right to have more frequent morning helicopter flyovers, FOX News will be permitted to pick up short hop passengers. Peace Island will be a halfway drop off point to and from Manhattan.

As for the shabby middle class occupants of HPS, the rest of us will have special ID cards that provide priority seating on the #7.

But the best is that all deli’s and food carts that prepare any form of breakfast will be allowed to serve alcohol before 11. The other good news is the pedestrian bridge will be built. Bad news is it will be a toll bridge.

Wait #25, really poor countries like The Netherlands, the west coast of America, Italy, and France etc…These are the really poor countries with no mass transit systems other than outdated technology?

hey #22 are you sure you know what you are talking about? The new signal system will not help “by a very small amount”. It will help in a very large amount actually. The new system can show the exact location of trains while the old system can only show the location of trains within a few 100 feet. This means that instead of being able to run 1 train in between stations at any time, they can run 3 trains in between stations at any time. An increase from 28 trains per hour to 40 or more trains per hour can be expected after the new system is in place.

Seriously guys if we are gonna talk about serious transportation ideas we need some serious facts and not pure speculation.

#29 and #28 I totally agree, facts are important, also I didn’t know some of the stuff you posted there, pretty cool.

28, and when was the last time there were 28 trains an hour on the No. 7? Why wait for some pie in the sky technology that will likely take forever to implement and shut down service for god know’s how many more weekends if we can just toss a few boats in the water and sail across the river? Nothing wrong with ferries. If only we had folks at MTA who could see beyond their pocket protectors, we’d have a network of them today.

#32, please do some reasearch before commenting. The 7 actually does run at 28 trains per hour. And CBTC Signals are not pie in the sky technology, in fact CBTC was implemented in a short anoint of time in 2006 on the L line and so far is working perfectly. If people actually learned about how the MTA works on a technological and operational level they wouldn’t be complaining, that simple.

#34, according to the MTA timetables, during rush hour the 7-train runs every 2-4 minutes which would put the average trains at more like 20 per hour and that will be under the best circumstances. Yes the signal will be upgraded and more trains will be added, according to the DOT you can never run more than 36 trains per hours, under the best circumstances, which while a great improvement will do very little to ameliorate the overcrowding when 5000 more people move in. There is a serious issue with transportation in NYC, have you seen the Midtown Tunnel recently? There needs to be a better solution than adding the maximum number of trains to a subway system that is susceptible to all sorts of adverse conditions including human illness, rain and continued development. What is your suggestion for 2020 when the trains are really beyond crowded? Should we look at high speed ferry systems then? There is no reason why the MTA should not be asked to take over the ferry system and include it in their transportation network, it only makes sense to utilize the waterfront everyone is so excited to develop.

yeah #35 there are to kinds of people here, the #37 and the #10s

However i do like the bus-boat idea. It seems more efficient than having ferries.

ps #36 the DOT says no more than 36 trains per hour can be run on block signal systems. There are no regulations on CBTC systems.

Ferry, bus-boat, vaporetto — I don’t care what you call it. Let’s just use the damn river for public transit. Something is seriously wrong when regular commuters in the boroughs can see the benefit of waterborne mass transit in the city, but transit planners can’t or won’t.