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Jun 19 2009

Long Island Condo City dream still alive and kicking; new construction update

Murano Condo, Borden Ave, LIC

Murano Condos getting glassy (pun intended!), Borden Ave @ 5th St, LIC

Long Island City’s real estate development may be a bit… hampered, but there’s definitely new construction in progress. The Murano Condos, with the 24-hour rotating technicolor lightclock, is manifesting its facade, which seems to be colored window panels… on the curtain wall? Well, one positive thing we can say, at least it’ll brighten up the bleak and dreary Borden Ave. Though, apparently it’s not very quiet over that way these days.

Then, we have this new mysterious condo development on the South side of Jackson Ave at 47th Road. Some general buzz on the street about the project is 30 or so units, with ground floor retail, called East of East. Honestly speaking, it’s nice to see some quality steel beam construction, as opposed to….

New development 13-10 Jackson, 47th Rd & Jackson Ave, LIC

East of East Condos, 13-10 Jackson Ave, Long Island City

Moving right along, the condo building at the infamous corner of Vernon Blvd & Jackson Ave, currently called 10-17 Jackson Ave, has made some serious progress, since we last checked. This one’s 33 units with ground floor retail, designed by somewhat controversial LIC starchitect Jay Valgora.

Murano Condo, Borden Ave, LIC

10-17 Jackson Ave Condos in construction, at the corner of Vernon Blvd, LIC

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those 4 or 5 panels of glass on the murano have been there for months… no news there.

More noteworthy is that the actual building doesn’t have the gap where the colored lights were supposed to go… according to the rendering and microsite. Wonder if they still plan to do that….

#1 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

I hope so. I like the colored light idea- not sure what it’s upposed to look like once completed, but in theory…

#2 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Does anyone know what has been going on with Star Towers (across from Fusion)? Construction stopped over there many months ago…would love to get the scoop!

#3 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Bad foundation work. They have to re-do it and have filed requests to do so. And I hear money funding woes.

Not agreat time to build more condos. Duh.

#4 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

“Honestly speaking, it’s nice to see some quality steel beam construction, as opposed to….”

As opposed to what? I don’t understand this sentence.

#5 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

As opposed to the concrete structures that many of the other buildings are … The one at the corner of vernon and Jackson.

#6 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

LIQ you never wrote about the tiny small steel condo on 47th rd between vernon and 11th. It looks like it is just about finished. Any word on what the heck it is?

#7 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

It’s a rental building.

#8 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Why do you think steel beam construction is preferable to concrete?

#9 9 / 2 years, 7 months ago

Jay Valgora is not a starchitect.

#10 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

In LIC he is.

#11 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

There’s a nice big open pit on 11th, and 47th Rd. They started to build something and now the lot is for sale! It’s a lovely view I must say!

#12 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Am i missing something here? Are there really that many fabulously wealthy people who want to live in long island city?

Even just to rent in queens west you need a six figure salary.

Did I miss the memo on being rich and having $100K in the bank to put as a down payment on those luxury kondozes?

nobody does zero down even 10% is getting scarce.

#13 Richard / 2 years, 7 months ago

Words of truth Richard, but why the negative, down-on-LIC tone?

#14 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Richard, $100k salary is not fabulously wealthy in the least.

#15 15 / 2 years, 7 months ago

Yes, $100k is solidly middle class in NYC – depending on # of people in the household it might even be pushing it. There are no weathly people in LIC, just hardworking professional who struggle to make ends meet like anyone else.

#16 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

I have never even made 1/2 that kind of money in my life and i’m not broke…..I guess i’m cheap frugal and responsible

So when i see exorbitant rents queens west and up scaling everything into a colossal failure…why not get mad. Cheap is in and will be for the next decade

So by that standard you ruined a good fun place to hang out with fake fufu

Do you really want places 5 sl L-haus to become section 8 housing, or be abandoned?

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Words of truth Richard, but why the negative, down-on-LIC tone?

#17 Richard / 2 years, 7 months ago

There are a lot of ‘wealthy’ people in LIC. Surprising actually, how much of a powerhouse (no pun intended) this neighborhood is. Lots of money running through it. And lots of working class. Great mix.

#18 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Richard, you sound like a bitter old man. What “colossal failure” are you talking about? The redevelopment of LIC has been a success that is still happening. Please, don’t wax nostalgic for the days of a garbage dump waterfront and empty, ugly warehouse buildings and lots.

What you think is exorbitant is actually quite affordable by Manhattan standards, and since the area is 5 minutes away, that is the measure.

#19 19 / 2 years, 7 months ago

The tone managers are on your case now, Richard. You can try some smiley faces or something. What about it? :-)

#20 Townie / 2 years, 7 months ago

LIke 5sl will become section 8 housing, come on now, let’s at least try and have normal discussion here.

And Richard you can predict the future a decade ahead of everyone else? Wow, so you saw this whole RE mess in 1998? Amazing!

#21 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

But for how Long? It will take years to solve the housing mess while we are in need of affordable housing…so yes places like 5sl will be bankrupt by year end…There are only so many stupid people with money to burn left in this economy.

Again….you need to adjust your focus for a Much Poorer America, and most places must still come down 1/3 to 1/2 before it gets back to normal.

Frugal is in…unemployment will keep going up and on time paying tenants are harder to find…so you cant pisss us off by overcharging us any longer

Welcome to the New Ohbama America!

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There are a lot of ‘wealthy’ people in LIC. Surprising actually

What you think is exorbitant is actually quite affordable by Manhattan standards, and since the area is 5 minutes away, that is the measure.

#22 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

“It will take years to solve the housing mess while we are in need of affordable housing…”

The housing mess will ‘create’ affordable housing, there’s no need to build any.

#23 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

YUP all those luxury kondozes at 50+% off next year, What a waste of resources Housing is supposed to be cheap so you can spend money on everything else.

Like all the local mom and pop stores that inhabit you hood..

They are selling kondozes for next to zero in Miami….because maintenance/hoa/insurance /taxes/ fees are so high you cant even find renters to pay enough to cash flow positive at $15,000 yes $15K. LIC may not get that low but under $100K yes you bet and then i will buy

I refuse to throw away my money on a overpriced mortgage.

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The housing mess will ‘create’ affordable housing, there’s no need to build any.

#24 Richard / 2 years, 7 months ago

Boy there are lots of humorous comments here. 5SL, a condo building more than 85% sold, will turn into a city-used affordable housing building. Right. LMAO. $100k apartments on the water in LIC!?! Ha!!

#25 25 / 2 years, 7 months ago

Sold……..I doubt that………..lets see how many actually close the sale and how many lights are on at 9pm at night…come on step up to the plate and lets see how many actually will live there daily…Look at Arris lofts no lights are on at night….

I’m just waiting for round 2 of the collaspe, either way I don’t really care, i have cheap rent a great landlord, off street FREE parking for my car, why settle for anything less if i buy?

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5SL, a condo building more than 85% sold,

#26 Richard / 2 years, 7 months ago

sorry to bring it back to the top but I see star towers had bad foundation work??? what is happening to all the people who signed contracts for units there then? wow, we were very close to being one of those people. I guess we should be thankful.

#27 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Yeah, I’ve been wondering about the Star Tower myself… there was a rumor they were 50% sold months ago… I guess all of that is propaganda? Only they really would know the truth about how many they have in contract?

#28 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Actually, it is a matter of public record of how many sales there are in 5SL. 99 units out of an available 116 have closed. That makes it 85% sold, with about 8 or 9 units recently in contract. Sorry, but no section 8 housing there. Even if a few owners run into trouble, there is not a tremendous risk to the other owners since the building mostly sold. Now, there are other buildings in LIC that are in a much different position. While it is impossible to know how many signed contracts there are at L-Haus, I would venture a guess they don’t have too many. Across the street at Hunter’s View, they are only at 27% sold. I know this because I was in contract there at one point. With no buyers in sight and much better buildings coming down in price, who is going to buy there? Even price reductions might not keep these buildings from bankruptcy. Not all buildings are created equal.

#29 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

anyone know how sales (if any) at Vere have progressed? i thought the quality looked nice (at least to an untrained eye) but obviously the location is more than a little challenged…

#30 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

the Hunters View sales are probably bad because half the view is of the L-Haus :)
i wouldn’t want to look at that building every time i open the window.

the building i like the most and it actually fits into the LIC “feel” is the one on the corner past the The Creek … not sure what its called, but its subtle brick facade and large windows make it a winner.

#31 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Vere sales have ground to a halt, like all new condo development in LIC. No one can get mortgages. Without a mortgage, game over.

I believe the building #31 is talking about is 10-63?!?

#32 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

I would GLADLY look at Lhaus at $100K for a 1 bedroom….but i’m flexible maybe tops $150K……….But ONLY if they throw in a FREE underground parking space….its really not worth much more then that since its a long walk to the grocery or just about anything.

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i wouldn’t want to look at that building every time i open the window.

#33 Richard / 2 years, 7 months ago

No 1-bedroom in that part of LIC will ever go for 100k or even 200k, for that matter.

Never, ever going to happen.

#34 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Richard, I say you will be waiting for hell to freeze over before we get to $100K 1 bedroom apartments in LIC. There are a lot of people waiting on the sidelines hoping to snag a penhouse for a few thousand, but its not going to happen. Well I guess you should never say never – it could happen, but suffice it to say that even if it did happen you would not be in a position to buy, because we would all be up S*&% creek. If RE values in drop to the levels you are talking about, the banks would be crushed. Unemployment would double. Local and state government would be crippled (CA times 10) and the fed would not be able to print enough money to get us out of this mess. At that point bartering would become the new currency. I know everyone loves a good deal, but wonder if people have a good grasp on what it would mean if RE price depressed that much.

#35 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

At the rate America is tanking..it might take 2-3 more years because all the stupid people finally will get the message that housing is NOT an investment, (Unless its CASH FLOW POSITIVE)…

Its just a place to live where you can paint the walls any color you like.

Then you will know its TRUE value.

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I say you will be waiting for hell to freeze over before we get to $100K 1 bedroom apartments in LIC

#36 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Even in the hardest hit areas values only went down 20%. If real estate values drop by another 80% from its current levels in the next 2-3 years it will make the great depression seem like a picnic. Be careful what you wish for.

#37 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

besides, even if L-Haus goes under and is possessed by the bank, bank sales of units foreclosed on are usually 50 cents on the dollar. That’s half off for a unit originally priced at $500K = $250K. Big difference, and not close to $100K Richard seems to be holding out for. Hey, maybe they will throw in the parking after all :)

#38 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

Getting desperate over there….

Lets talk REAL numbers can you rent it out for all the monthly costs? That is where the line is between investor and speculator

For example, a one-bedroom, onebathroom
home selling for $535,000
will cost a buyer approximately $2,400
per month to rent

and at 120x rent it should be priced at $288K….would be at least a close break even point….

And with unemployment skyrocketing and CC defaults you will have to lower rents even more so less then $200K for Lahus is very reasonable possibility when this is all over with

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L Haus tacks on more buyer incentives
Three months after announcing buyer incentives, the Long Island City condo L Haus just started offering 90 percent financing in addition to its rent-to-own and price protection incentives to potential buyers.

#39 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

OH i forgot what about increased common charges if so many default? and do they have a 421 tax break…when that expires the prices goes even lower…so $150K.. do i hear a $100K?

#40 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

It looks like some idiot streeteasy bloggers are infiltrating liqcity with crazy rent ratios.

#41 41 / 2 years, 7 months ago

I CHALLENGE YOU…..show me your figures and prove you can break even at 535K…or $400K or $300K or $250K remember add in cc charges insurance FULL taxes, parking fees…..health club fees….ALL expenses on the Kondoze.

And no funny wacky mortgage a fully amortizing 30 year loan.

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It looks like some idiot streeteasy bloggers are infiltrating liqcity with crazy rent ratios.

#42 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

what about income tax advantages of ownership? 100k ain’t going to happen because the us gov’t wouldn’t let it happen. look at how they are interfering with free mkts now, imagine it gettting significantly worse? you would need 15% interest rates and 50% unemployment to get to your doomsday scenario. this all being said, you still may get a get deal in a desparation sale if you are patient, good luck.

#43 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

#43…There is almost NO income tax advantage anymore, most of you will not itemize deductions.

so Its very little and only to a few people

THIS is what cause the bubble and bust, no one knows how to use a calculator anymore in America….we need manditory Consumer finance and Civics courses in high school and college in order for you to graduate..

And NO all you need is 50% of the “homeowners” to stop paying their hoa common charges, and you are roally screwed.

No more excuses …learn to freakin use a calculator and show me the numbers

cash flow positive is an Investment…cash flow negative is a speculation and those people should get no help from America…but we reward FAILURE in this country especially if its huge.
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what about income tax advantages of ownership

#44 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

L Haus doesn’t seem to have their 15% certificate of occupancy yet. Also they seem to not negotiate as much as you would think. Their insides are very nice other than the non floor to ceiling windows and the ac/heater unit being the ones that stick up. Doesnt the Stahl corporation have almost limitless cash? What dangers does it pose to buy at L Haus when they are under 15% sold. And are there any other milestones such as 30% or something? Sorry complete newbie here.

#45 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

I guess I scared off all the Realtors with actual FACTS, on how ridiculously Overpriced these ugly craphomes are.

#46 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

I’m surprised the L Haus doesn’t negotiate that much as I have a friend that is going through the purchasing process there and they say the L Haus was great to negotiate with. I went to see the unit they are looking to purhcase and I agree that the inside of the apartments are very nice and I have to say the AC units are far better than the one’s at the Hunter’s Point Condos. The floor to ceiling windows would definitely be nice but the fact that it didn’t have them didn’t bother me because the apartment finishes were better than some of the other new developments in the area. I don’t know if there is a danger in buying before they are 15% sold, except the wait time, but a contingency in the contract might be a good idea.

#47 Anonymous / 2 years, 7 months ago

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