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May 8 2009

Update on Long Island City’s CUNY graduate housing development

CUNY, OCA development site, Long Island City

The preserved wall at the OCA/CUNY development, 47th Ave @ 5th St, LIC

Well, we’ve left this Pandora’s Box alone for a while, but it’s time to face the Furies and update the world on the progress of what we call the OCA/CUNY development site. It’s kind of anti-climactic. Nothing is happening. So far. Except, we know that BSA has forced the development to preserve a lone wall of the previous construction, pictured above, which will serve as the entrance to an internal courtyard.

If you remember, this Long Island City development was slated to create graduate dorm low-rise buildings, as well as a luxury condo tower, the latter being a source of contention between the developer and a group of organized local residents who opposed the variance requests for the luxury tower. Currently, the land has been cleared of debris and is on deck for remediation efforts to begin.

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That luxury condo tower should rake in the bucks for CUNY now.

#1 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I hate it when people have no idea what they are talking about. #1, that tower will not make CUNY any money. It will make the developer OCA money. CUNY is just an occupant of the low-rise component. They are NOT the developers. And that condo tower is only 12/13 stories tall. It will hardly be worth the effort.

#2 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I hate it when people don’t get sarcasm.

Wasn’t the whole plan to offset the cost to CUNY for the dorms with revenue from the condo tower? Come on real estate genius- that is why CUNY would even bother going to bat for this project, right? OCA builds the dorms for CUNY at a cut rate in exchange for CUNY getting the variance approved so OCA can build more market rate condos to make their money back? It’s not rocket science.

Given the current state of sales in LIC, that whole plan might need to be reconsidered, no?

#3 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I think LIQcity is profiting from this post.

#4 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

She isn’t non-biased. She has said she works in real estate.

She obviously uses this blog for $. No big secret.

#5 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Well those luxury developer ads are all over the site, obviously. Live like a star! You deserve it! You’ve arrived!

#6 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

If you think 13 stories are bad, well the 36 story Tokoyo Inn going up on Jackson Ave next to Sovereign Bank should make you shudder. How can they allow a building that is 3/4 the size of the Citibank (50 Story) to sit next to all the Brownstones

#7 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Have they stopped running those Law & Order re-runs leaving the conspiracy theorists in LIC with nothing better to do? There is no propaganda anywhere in this posting that would serve the developers. I’ve seen LIQCITY do a hundred real estate updates and that is the whole reason I read this blog in the first place.

#8 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

“How can they allow a building that is 3/4 the size of the Citibank (50 Story) to sit next to all the Brownstones”

Huh? How did they allow the Citicorp Building next to all those [rowhouses, not brownstones]?

Zoning, dude. It’s basically gradually becoming one of the city’s CBDs. I’d rather have a hotel than more condos.

#9 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

#9 yes they change the zoning whenever someone has a project and will grease pockets, then they change it back again…..

#10 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Rockrose has a HUGE rental going up there too.

#11 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I like that they’re presering that wall-looks cool, if done right.

#12 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Agree with #2 – especially now. For those that were saying that developers were greedy to ask to be compensated for risk, the recent turn in the markets proves how wrong you were.

#13 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

What is so historically significant about a brick wall? There are thousands of brick walls all over LIC.

#14 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Excuse me, #9 – Brownstones are also typically “row houses”. I believe there are some brownstones interspersed in the mostly brick town houses in the Blcck Beautiful.

#15 anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

So who or what are Toch Brothers? And if no one knows, it shouldn’t be preserved.

#16 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

That happens to be a rather unique brick wall and will make a very attractive entryway if handled with the proper aesthtics. Also, it is nice when a bit of past history can be preserved.

#17 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

#15, there are a couple brownstones in the area, but predominantly other varieties of row/townhouse.

#10, the zoning around Court Square that allows big towers has been that way for several years.

#18 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

LIQCity possibly needs to do a fact check. I don’t think the BSA required preserving the wall. It never came up in any of the meetings and I’m pretty sure that is out of BSA’s jurisdiction.

FYI, the BSA hearings addressed if there was a hardship in the cost of cleanup and if the development provided a community service as defined by law. (note: whether one agrees or not a dormitory does not meet the legal criteria for a community service and in fact neither does an art services organization). If those two pieces could be proven the BSA allows violation of the Zoning.

There was a huge debate as to why a developer who qualifies for Brownfield funds to the tune of nearly 20% of total development cost had a hardship. Anyway, not to dredge this up and get into the furious debate, the end result was 12 stories – still nearly double what very recent zoning allows. Did it help that Chuck Schumer’s wife is head of the CUNY development corp? CUNY became her new digs after the Ferry disaster made her position as Transportation Commissioner a bit uncomfortable.

#19 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Yes, #19, let me guess you are a member of the shadowy “LICC.” Well “not to dredge this up and get into the furious debate”, but the BSA hearings proved there was a hardship and that the development provided a community benefit. Therefore as a matter of law this building does not violate zoning regulations regarless of how many time you say it does. Also please save your innuendo and conspiracy theories for the next devlopment project you plan to oppose.

#20 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I think it’s really nice that wall is staying up. Mixing in a little of the past with the new.

#21 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

20, you are the first to leap to the defense of the mega development industry but you have always been unwilling to explain who you are, what you do, and what your stake in this is. And then while you accuse me of innuendo it’s exactly what you go on to do.

“shadowy LICC”. First I don’t belong to the organization. Second, it is certainly not shadowy. It’s been on the scene and has had a public presence in Hunters Point going back some 20+ years. It is certainly not “anonymous” like you. Thses folks had the courage (right or wrong) to appear in public and state who they are and what their opinions were.

“Therefore as a matter of law this building does not violate zoning regulations regarless of how many time you say it does” The technical term is a variance. A variance is legal but it is an allowable violation of zoning. I never said or implied otherwise. What I did point out was that despite the BSA ruling mostly in their favor, many feel that the criteria were not met.

Where I will acknowledge you (something experience tells me you will never do for me or anyone else) is my question regarding Iris Weinshall. Fact is I’m merely repeating what I have been told by a highly placed person who should know. So I will admit that this is unverified and thus does not belong here.

I’m still waiting for you to state a constructive opinion about anything. It seems #20 you are only interested in attack and it is without fail anytime any person or group in the community questions height and bulk. The whole country is reeling from excess. Do you have any constructive ideas other than blasting people who think differently from you?

#22 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

LIQCITY you were right about the Furies. wow.

#23 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Like it says-”anonymous comments are welcome.”
All opinions, no matter how imperious and aggressively desensitizing, ought to be honored. Meanwhile, one should in no way characterize others as “schmucks” or “ass-hat models,” or bestow any other label of that sort, you know, because that’s rude. It’s important to maintain some replica of decorum, and I’m sure no one considers it rude that developers and their sponsors tear apart a neighborhood and engineer their little Variances alongside pre-existing Zoning Laws to keep everything all nice and legal. No conspiracy there; Cons and piracy, maybe, but never any conspiracy–in fact, they’ve been practically transparent. They’ll be lucky to break even, after all the trouble they’ve gone to. And they’re creating jobs…What’s so wrong about that? LICC needs to become more community-oriented and less elitist, but that’s only my opinion.

#24 Townie / 2 years, 9 months ago

(Maybe it’s unnecessary, but these threads are so weird sometimes–so on the off chance that someone might read the last post while drunk or while wearing an ass-hat, or both–then he or she should know that those comments were meant to be sarcastic, mainly, so please be warned that any face-value interpretation will not be the “correct” or intended one. Thank you.)

#25 Townie / 2 years, 9 months ago

How can you say that the LICC is not shadowy? Who are its members? When and where do they meet? What is their mission statement? Who funds them? These are questions that have not been answered even after asking them for months. As far as I’m concerned they are anonymous.

#26 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

27, first get your facts straight. There’s no such organization as LICC. You might be thinking of the HPCC which has been around and active since the early 1990s. My guess is you probably did not know LIC existed then.

#27 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Ok so first 22 says it exists and then 28 says it doesn’t… Which is it? Or is this just a ploy to throw more darkness over its operations. The plot thickens…

#28 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

U figure it out. I’m off in search of a $15 cocktail. Have a nice evening.

#29 Townie / 2 years, 9 months ago

Who are you people?

#30 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

I think the tower was suppose to be rentals not condos.

#31 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Dutch Kills rocks. And they’re only $9.

#32 Townie / 2 years, 9 months ago

OMG was Townie at Dutch Kills last night?? What a missed opportunity.

#33 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

Dutch Kills is the best thing to happen to this hood since…well, ever. Not only are the cocktails $9, they’re top shelf, and they do BUY BACKS. Get Guiseppe (spelling?) to make you a Gordon’s Cup. Sweet Blessed Baby Jeebus! I’m in love! Much to the detriment of my liver.

#34 NYC Native / 2 years, 9 months ago

Were NYC Native & Townie having $9 cocktails at Dutch Kills together?

#35 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

No, they were not. Separate parties, total coincidence.

Also seen that night was a friend who’s the proprietor of a lovely little place in Greenpoint, and the previous Saturday saw the local proprietors of a bistro and wine bar. DK: It’s truly the place to be in the LIC.

#36 NYC Native / 2 years, 9 months ago

I like the bar and the drinks…….but the space is a dark hole that never can be fixed. They should have extended the bar all the way back, or put the bathrooms at the back ( I liked the linen towels in the wash room! Classy.) The space is too chopped up. Even at a long lease and dirt cheap rent, I would have never sunk money into that space.

#37 Anonymous / 2 years, 9 months ago

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